Ever wondered why some fire departments seem to excel while others struggle? In this enlightening conversation with Michael Caviness, he reveals the surprising truth: it's not about having the most certifications, but rather about effective leadership who value training and personal growth. Caviness shares his unique perspective on the North Carolina fire service, highlighting the critical importance of in-service training as a cost-effective solution for departments that can't afford expensive courses. 

But the insights don't stop there.  He offers a fresh perspective on how education in general subjects like English can enhance a firefighter's ability to comprehend data and write reports. You'll hear compelling discussions about the importance of experience over job tenure, the role of self-initiative, and the real challenges that the fire service faces.

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